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Hello John I`m doing some test, and with new version all is fine… also ODB now is working.
It will be nice to have the next poi and next Waypoint accessible also in the Home Page.
Like having the Map widget on the right and the next destination on the left.
In this way you can have maps and Speed and all the other data under controll in a singol page.What about turn by turn navigation on the GPX when we can test it?
Good job so far… keep going!!
ChristianHi John
Talking about turn-by-turn…. how is that implemented? Do you need to have premade GPX? Does DMD2 have a built in routing engine or is it dependent on a online routing engine?
OsmAnd is a very good and powerful offline navigation app, with offline routing engine. But I guess you are familiar with it.
Will DMD2 be able to use the same map files as OsmAnd if you set OsmAnd to use the shared storage on the device? I am asking since both DMD2 and OsmAnd are using Open Street Maps. This way you would avoid having duplicates of the maps.
OsmAnd has an API for integration with other apps. This could maybe simplify map downloads, route calculation, GPX generation and other tasks? The only downside I see is that OsmAnd has to be installed alongside DMD2.
OsmAnd has a demo app for the API where you can test some of it.
Just to be clear: this is a local API in the OsmAnd app, not an online API on the internet.
BR
Jesper
Hi John Talking about turn-by-turn…. how is that implemented? Do you need to have premade GPX? Does DMD2 have a built in routing engine or is it dependent on a online routing engine? OsmAnd is a very good and powerful offline navigation app, with offline routing engine. But I guess you are familiar with it. Will DMD2 be able to use the same map files as OsmAnd if you set OsmAnd to use the shared storage on the device? I am asking since both DMD2 and OsmAnd are using Open Street Maps. This way you would avoid having duplicates of the maps. OsmAnd has an API for integration with other apps. This could maybe simplify map downloads, route calculation, GPX generation and other tasks? The only downside I see is that OsmAnd has to be installed alongside DMD2. OsmAnd has a demo app for the API where you can test some of it. Just to be clear: this is a local API in the OsmAnd app, not an online API on the internet.
BR Jesper
Our route calculator is fully offline. We are building it on both DMD2 app and there will be a planner for the webrowser that will sync with the app.
We will release it in stages and improve it as we go, so initially you will probably only have the app version, and on the app there is work being done for the different things that make up the full system:
– Download calculation map files along with the map downloads
– The UI for the user
– The different calculation profiles, just as example: road fast, road avoid tolls, off-road easy, off-road medium, off-road hard, stuff like that…
– The indications while riding, like distance to next turn, turn type, etcI plan to release the first, very simple version, in one or two weeks.
I also try NOT to use any other app or become dependant of any other app, I really do not like to be influenced by the way other apps are working, mostly because the initial reason that made me develop this was the fact that there was not a single app that felt that was made to be used while you are on the motorcycle. So im using this very simple philosophy:
– Anything a user might want to do while riding, even if he needs to stop, should be available with a maximum of two taps (two clicks)
example, search for gasoline: Tap1: POI icon, Tap2: Gasoline button, DONE
example, hide or show GPX: Tap1: GPX Icon, Tap2: hide or show icon for the GPX
The third level interaction is to be avoided unless its REALLY required and is in the flow of the first tap, for example, accessing the waypoint list: Tap1: GPX Icon, Tap2: Tap on GPX file to view, Tap3: Tap on Waypoints button
Going trough menus, and various levels of menus while riding is a NO GO for me… so to avoid complex structures and too much user interaction I need to re-think many “standard” ways that all the other apps use and at the end of the day I think thats people try DMD2 and stick to it, most of them cant really explain why they like DMD2, but I think its the simplicity of the features that you would normally use while riding.Also… I ride… and sometimes I ride for days… if anything feels too much trouble while riding I will “feel” it, I will come back from my ride and just change it.
Hello John I`m doing some test, and with new version all is fine… also ODB now is working. It will be nice to have the next poi and next Waypoint accessible also in the Home Page. Like having the Map widget on the right and the next destination on the left. In this way you can have maps and Speed and all the other data under controll in a singol page. What about turn by turn navigation on the GPX when we can test it? Good job so far… keep going!! Christian
Track Progress widget is coming!!! FOR SURE, as it is already in my todo list for the next run.
Im now working in releasing the first VERY basic route planner.Again… DO NOT expect yet another planner. Specially as the planner evolves you will see very specific offroad and adventure features. Just out of my head, I can think about the most desirable features for own usage:
– One Dialog to Plan (even if it might be a chained steps dialog), bammm done, another tap to share that planned route with your friends in GPX Format… done, quick and simple.
– On planning I want an option to AVOID certain loaded GPX, there is nothing I hate more than returning back home using the same track I used to get somewhere. So if I just arrived to the end of the GPX or calculated route, I want to be able to calculate a route back without having to go through the same paths I just did.
– LOOP IT, a quick option on route calculation where I press the destination, it calculates my route to the destination AND then I just press “LOOP BACK” and it adds another calculation from the destination to where I am, using same logic as previous stated, avoiding going through same paths (this would cover my typical Saturday rides, I want to arrive somewhere, off-road, and then come back)This kind of things are mandatory for me, why? Because I ride! Obviously there are super complex things the calculator can do, like use ground type, slop degrees, bla bla bla, but at the end of the day it needs to have quick and simple user interaction and offer (without 1000 menus) really useful options for us, motorcycle riders, who go off-road and adventure!
Beta 2.991 and previous 2.99:
– Fixed and improved POI search for big files
– New Map language option in map settings page
– Added map lock (map full screen + additional option in map settings to disable touch)
– Track progress box now gets hidden correctly when no info to display
– GPX Manager dialog no longer gets transparent on file click and track click
– GPX Files loaded by order as they where original loaded
– Waypoint title stroke now always white, even on light theme
– Fixed a crash on POI search when no location fix was available
– Added conversion from GPX Routes to GPX Tracks
– Other small improvementsDMD2 Project Manager & Lead Developer
Contribute to DMD2 Translations | Buy Me a CoffeeThanks for the insight into your thought process and philosophy! It makes a lot of sense, and I can releate to it.
I was not actually suggesting using the frontend of OsmAnd, just using it as a backend to lighten the workload. But with the future functions and plans you are mentioning here, it sounds like it will be much better than OsmAnd, and would like to withdraw my suggesion 😛 Really looking forward to the loop function!
I will be pushing this app on my riding friends group this summer.
Talking about riding groups. We usually use Discord to communicate on trips. Discord has a WebSocket API. I would definitely pay for a plugin to be able to see who are in a channel and jump in and out of a channel with two taps. Or another VoIP service, like one built on the Matrix protocol https://matrix.org/.
BR
Jesper
About the map that is not “loaded”. I’ve noticed that the issue is when the location icon is set to the empty arrow, then the map is not focused/located on your current location otherwise seems to work fine.
Beta 2.992:
– Quick update to add Route Calculation files to map download routine (No, routing is not available yet, but soon it will be, so its better to make this available as soon as possible because then in the future you will have to download all routing files anyway)
– Fixed a case where map download progress was lost if you exited the app while downloadingDMD2 Project Manager & Lead Developer
Contribute to DMD2 Translations | Buy Me a CoffeeHi John
Possible bug:
It looks like Map view is missing as an option on the right widget on the home screen. I don’t know if this is intentional.
v2.992
BR
Jesper
Hi John Possible bug: It looks like Map view is missing as an option on the right widget on the home screen. I don’t know if this is intentional. v2.992 BR Jesper
Map View is indeed limited to the left panel because it can only be loaded in one place and im too lazzy to make the required extra work to check if its already loaded and show you a message saying it is already loaded and all the other require work to handle all that.
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